My husband is in seminary to be a music minister and I noticed that he doesnt spank me like he used to. Those wacky scientists have way more education than you or I, so obviously you cannot correlate education with wise and good choices. The one thing that surprised me was how happy all the married couples were. So-called Christian domestic discipline occurs in a marriage when one or both partners use biblical support to rationalize an unscriptural and un-Christian lifestyle. 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Williamson Christian Pundit, What is in a Name: When Your Spouse Refuses to Call You ByName, Classical Conversations #1: The Good, The Bad, and TheUgly, Greg Morse at Desiring God Laments StrongWomen. However be prepared because I do no think this movement is going anywhere. maybe a directory of churches and communities, that still get it, would help . Bike Bubba, when your wife dresses as a french maid, you still see her, albeit as a french maid, and not Kim Kardashian or some other woman (and I really fear for your taste as well Kim Kardashian of all people). That alone gives me a strong desire to please him.What I am trying to say is MENIf you lead she WILL follow, and she will be content in doing so. Anonymous, christiandomesticdiscipline.com, 5. Ill critique whatever you are making public. I dont think he has stockholm syndrome or any other excuse, he just likes being her highnesss good little stallion. Let me start at the beginning. Oh, stop the press! Change). But the Pastor wouldnt agree with her that her husband was being too strict. Was your church aware of what was going on? It took a long time for me to have the strength to leave him. couples are a mess, for all the talk women abuse is nowhere close to being fixed but now masculinity is also in a crisis. I applaud you for wanting to help her. It is almost enough to make me hope that the doctrine of eternal conscious punishment is true, at least for some whose evil actions in this life are especially egregious. Ben is a very strict HOH, and I love him very much because of it. Lone, there are a few Biblical objections to role playing, S& M, and the like. You imply that by talking about husbands with authority. No-one ever gives a better interpretation, they just holler at me as if the one who shouts loudest must be right. [redacted] has confided in [redacted] and [redacted] about Jamins abusive behavior. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, and you are unwilling to come to Me (John 5.39, 40). I shall expect some racist comments. Our families, and some of our friends think we are nuts, me mostly, for living this way, but I can honestly say that the 10 years of our marriage I am most happy knowing that I can at any moment end up crying with a sore bottom over my husbands lap. Now, some Christian ladies are happy to accept the term feminism and apply it to themselves, so long as it is defined as something like the belief that women are equal to men and should be treated with respect by all. Your horrible handling of the Bible does not inspire confidence in me at all. Domestic Disciplining is consistent with the natural instincts of men and women which is why it has been practiced for so long, and why it will keep coming back over and over whether you like it or not. But having said all that, you have something practical, but difficult, which you must do. There is no biblical support for your position repeatedly quoting Eph 5.22 and the like is not proof for your stance, because you interpret such passages incorrectly. It contains articles on spanking in marriage, as well as advice on leading the home. Advocating for women being in leadership is asking for equality and for what the Bible teaches; that is not feminism.. Why? Wife Spanking, Christian Domestic Discipline, Domestic Violence *** You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered. I looked up the Bible scriptures that are used as examples those Bible scriptures are not saying for your husband to hit you its saying spare the rod and spoil the child, CHILD being the operative word not spare the rod and spoil your wife. Guest Post: A DD relationship, where the HoH gets spanked. In other words, they basically say, you may be in pain, and you may have been wronged, but F___ you. Im thinking about creating one.. Im absolutely confused, from reading these testimonials and some of these comments I dont know of you are serious. We need to consider the importance of thecorrelation ofspanking of children through adulthoodand also the transfer of headshipfrom father to new husband when a young lady gets married. I find joy in being a submissive wife. So what you hear from a survivor in one State or one County or one Country, may not necessarily apply in your friends case. You get all edgy. Well, to hell with him. So I personally see no company around you, you are alone here. And your friend, of course, if she is able to. You see women in an inferior place. When you said, No this is not like the playground bully. Beware of your own Post-Traumatic Disorders and aspire to respect individual freedoms in general and freedom of religion in particular. As a society have always restricted what two consenting adults can do. I understand it from a sexual stand point but to say because it gets your husbands frustration put and women need it so they release their emotions, that sounds like straight abuse. I am amazed to see so much intolerance. Welcome to grown up land folks. WebThen I went to college and met my husband James, and became a Christian. Most of these husbands never believed their wives would ever accept CDD, but today the majority of their wives do. God used women for a purpose, His purposes. Those laws included things that happened in the bedroom between consenting adults. Discipline spanking on the bottom is NOT abuse, its called just that, discipline. YOU are calling domestic discipline justice. No woman wants to be slapped around, and certainly not because it has anything to do with not being able to find a macho man to date. God told the Israelites to pass laws and enforce them. What you got for American never married women over the age of 40, including ones who are not under their fathers care? My reaction then was much like most women and like the worlds view of submission. ever. I submit that every target of physically, emotionally or spiritually abusive behavior is our sister or brother, and that no perpetrator, absent real repentance, is to be embraced as family. Lets discusshymens. The modesty issue and him not wanting you to get any kind of lingerie shows a real distorted view of sexuality. . It seems that both of these components make it much more likely for a woman to be the victim of domestic violence/wife spanking. And to start confessing, I am forgiving (or ever going to forgive) those who have wronged me is a step on the road to freedom. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Oh boy, here we go. The woman you are concerned about is indeed at very high risk. You get all edgy. Do you care if it hurts women and little girls? I think I would be OK with that, especially if anonymous. Christian Domestic Discipline - 09-23-2011, 11:08 PM. Tell him to clear off out of your life. Jamin replied to Sgt. You are going to have to move to a place of forgiveness.. Christian Domestic Discipline / Spencer Respect and Submission in domestic discipline Respect and Submission are of particular importance in a marriage because the standard marriage vows for the bride always included the phrase to love, honor and obey her husband. What you need to understand and accept is that people having this type of relationship proceed in a way closer to this scenario than the romantic date approach you imagine. There is a great website written by a former feminist who now lives this life with her husband, as well as their daughters with their husbands. Oh, come on, JA; Daisy of course speaks for all of us, which is why Daisy debates many of us, I believe myself included. The stresses that can wreck marriages and the men/women Mars/Venus things just seems to go away. In the above examples, we see non-denominational, charismatic/evangelical, Reformed Presbyterian denominations represented. This new 3-part podcast series is not a like any of my previous writings on the subject of Domestic Discipline. I love them but our relationship is often strained. I know it will be very, very enlightening to many people. And guess what? Time to go. English Common Law said that wives were the property of their husbands. And so many selfish, heartless, sexually sadistic Areal Castro centric Christian men are telling women they cant refuse their husbands sex. 1. AND GUESS WHAT?? From what you describe, it sounds like he had a sense of entitlement over you you were an object to be owned rather than a cherished wife to be treasured and loved. Youre the one admitting on a public blog that you like to be spanked. My father made us go to church three times a week, and he read us the bible every night. No, no previous assumptions, just submitting to the plain word of God will do for me. He was suggesting that were all marching in lockstep with feminism, so I joked that we argue so much precisely because we agree on everything. Even Satan quoted scripture. What can be done to safely expose these abusers for what they really are and protect these women. Yes, Its true. Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. We need to be aware of the existence of this atrocity in our churches and be bold in calling it out when we see it. My husband was referred to your website awhile ago and presented me with this lifestyle. are not healthy in a relationship. Even if I were to make a pledge, my father would have nothing to do with it. In order to have an honest justice and economic system, every citizen must have equal rights under a legal system that is uniformly enforced. You choose to call it domestic discipline. Its not just me that talks about your husband having authority, Julie Anne. Whats the problem with superior/inferior relationships? If you start fantasizing about someone else when you are making love, or at any other time, I think you are praying your partner out. This, to me, is a strong leader. In Dr. Phils example, we see a bully who used rage and anger as he spanked/assaulted his wife. What youre asking for is a form Benevolent Sexism. I come to believe that spanking is needed to protect the marriage. The Bible does not teach that men have God given authority over women. Out of our wounds flow compassion, understanding, & grace. So, a wife divorcing her husband unless she was independently wealthy was quite possibly a death sentence. . It ranged anywhere from a swat or two over my clothing up to him pulling down my pants for episodes that left me bawling. If you find a bad doctor you dont rubbish the whole of medicine. Julie Anne, your visitors are in the main grindingly politically correct and feminist and you are the chief, so much so that you cannot see that the Junia site, advocating for the inclusion of women in leadership in the Christian church and for mutuality in marriage is not the slightest bit feminist and flying in the face of scripture (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? He told me I was never to wear such slutty clothing and made me throw them all away (after beating my bottom). If nothing else, take that away with you. The argument is that its consensual. General: Dont like scripture when it disagrees with your prejudices, you guys, do you? If you are truly interested in learning more about that folly, there are plenty of websites and blogs and practicers on the internet. Ben has never told me to do anything sinful I do getting spankings sometimes by other men in authority like my dad and my Minister, Ben says that OK because they are authority figures and he has given them permission to correct me. It was about a year ago now. I was hoping the article was good no to come out and say that all hitting, whether it is an adult or child, is assault, but I didnt see that. And people, please take seriously my point about not thinking of other folk when you are in bed. (There are no passages that support spanking. Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. As far as your point is made. You simply cannot say that as the visitors at my site are widely diverse. Continue reading. I may be submissive, but Im no idiot doormat! Anonymous,experienceproject.com. Yet you call yourself a child. Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. He took off his belt, bent me over the counter, lifted up my skirt and proceeded to give me exactly what I deserved. 50 SHADES OF GREY AND PATRIARCHY: WHAT EXACTLY DID WE EXPECT? Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. By consent is OK, we read. It is not abuse if both people consent, maybe she should have talked to him about it and he would have stopped. My suggestion that the word forgiveness gets employed as an F word equivalent is not original to me. Are there other women is situations this dire? Here are the limits: No spanking children under 2, and no spanking teenagers. As a society have always restricted what two consenting adults can do. This same pastor also told husbands to get control of their wives. Wife spanking is often referred to as Christian Domestic Discipline, as if to make it more politically correct. Have you read Marys song, known as the Magnificat? Do you have any children? Women get to be slaves for men, while men lounge about reading their bibles trying to find bible verses that support their new sadistic fetishes to heap on their wives and children. Please, please, JA and Serving, do not receive this comment as condemnation, or even as criticism. Classical Conversations #7: Business or a Non-Profit; Cult or a Christian HomeschoolGroup? I am right wing, conservative, vote Republican, am pro-life. This practice is about two consenting adults who are free to leave the relationship at any time, period. Now no one complains to the Pastor at Bible school anymore I can tell you. The Bible does not support your kink. This is not some sort of dark movement where people are held in chains in basements. As that is what it really boils down to. Its because sje disrespected me. Instead, they wanted to know what I had done wrong to need to be punished and felt that I had abandoned my wedding vows when I left him. I totally respect that your religious view (whether or not you consider yourself atheists, this really is a religious decision, a lifestyle choice), I totally respect that your religious view may be equality-driven feminist relationships. And being insulting doesnt either. So, if youre the family bully and thats the way its always been, does your wife really consent to being bullied? What was his response? For keep in mind that you are in a very difficult position in that you are promoting an ideology which is against nature. But God does miracles and he can deal with your pain, as bad as it is. As for the judgment here power imbalance, physically hurting your partner, enjoying hurting your partner, sexualizing the pain, making your partner believe that you are the good and right adult while she is the bad child who deserves punishment, etc. It is insidious that this practice has continued in the name of God and Christianity. WebThen I went to college and met my husband James, and became a Christian. Continue reading. [redacted] said she has become numb to the abuse and did not feel scared, not like in the beginning. Just about to board the 2nd leg of my flight to Chicago. Thankfully my friend helped me move and helped me get set up and even helped me secure a job. his God-given authority and actually lead.. Im sure not everyone will agree with me, but in light of common sense and Jesus character, its what makes sense to me. It doesnt matter if millions of legitimate lives deviating from the average are frustrated and destroyed in the process, these are just data points). Please be careful if you are easily triggered by topics of abuse. Anderson stopped Jamin and asked why he would make a statement like that just out of the blue. Part of me wishes this practice of wife spanking waslimited to just one denomination so it could be easierto expose, but it is clear from the above examples that we cannot. When it comes to being intimate its only Ben , it would be a bad sin with anyone else. He teaches us that God made women because our husbands needed a obedient helpmate , God made women to serve and obey without question our husbands. It really is that good. Why are you so eager to judge that which you do not understand and have obviously no interest in understanding ? As far as I can see, no one in this conversation is opposed to the Bible or its teachings, but to your interpretation of them. Male headship is followed all over the world. Yes, guys, best leave 100PinkApples raging away because it suits your purpose better to have her stay unforgiving and bitter. No this isnt the argument at all. I have believed for many years that this is actually biblical, and the husband should spank his wife. A Husbands Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline. One wife got spanked because she was slow in getting dinner on the table when her husband came home from work. If he is afraid, he can call the cops. Men do not step up to the plate to defend women. For this is what Christianity is about. Well, even if it should turn out that punishment is proportional to the evil committed, and must eventually end for all, I am convinced that you will ultimately be satisfied with the consequences your abusers must surely suffer. When the man takes charge and makes really good, well-thought-out (and prayed for) decisions, its pretty easy for 2. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. So he has this attitude, because he is about to bring them irrefutable proof (which you are not doing). Sis has been married 3 times already, and bro is still married, but is miserable as his wife treats him the same as mom treats dad. It got to the point that I would make myself cry almost as soon as he started to spank me and would get 3 swat spankings and a I hope in the future you remember this. I did cry as soon as possible. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. When I see how women have been treated like objects by people who demand to have an authority position over their wives, demand obedience, demand submission, presume to be an intermediary to God. For this purpose moderation and tolerance are key. I dont think I have the right to question how my husband corrects me. Its not physically another person, but it is mentally and emotionally. I am now 24 years old and my husband is 27. You put it out there for me to read about, and Ill say something about it. Homos are gettin married.
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